FLASHFORWARD - "A561984" - Against Wedeck's orders, Mark and Demetri travel to Hong Kong in search of the woman claiming to know details of Demetri's fate; Lloyd tries to come clean about his and Simon's involvement in the global blackout - against Simon's better judgment -- and Zoey discovers the true meaning of her flashforward, on "FlashForward," THURSDAY, DECEMBER 3 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network. (ABC/ADAM LARKEY)ZACHARY KNIGHTON
Wedeck sends Janis to stakeout the hospital for Lloyd. While she’s there, Bryce tells her that if she was four months pregnant in her flash forward, something’s gotta give in early January. Bryce tells her not to give up what she wants. We’re wondering if he’ll follow his own advice, as he still can’t track down Keiko, the woman from his flash. Later, Janis gets the name of a good sperm bank from Bryce. Looks like she’s getting proactive.

"Maybe Simcoe caused the blackout, maybe he didn't. Game's not over."
When Lloyd does show, he refuses Janis’s offer of FBI protection. Instead, he wants his son moved to a more secure hospital. An administrator at his current hospital is less than willing to assist the man who just admitted he caused the blackout. But Olivia offers to help. These two can’t seem to get away from each other.

They discover that Olivia almost moved into a building near Lloyd’s place when she was planning on going to Harvard. But when Mark got assigned to L.A., she went with him. Lloyd speaks of a theory that suggests that anything that could have happened in their past actually did happen in some other universe. So maybe Olivia did go to Harvard in some other universe and they actually did meet. It’s all very It’s A Wonderful Life-ish.

Zoey leaves a message for Demetri’s parents pleading with them to come to their wedding. They have to show, right? After all, they were there on the beach in her flash forward. While at a memorial service, Zoey has a disturbing revelation. She fears the scene on the beach from her flash may not have been for her wedding. It may have been for a different kind of ceremony. It may have been for a funeral.

Sound Off

Who kidnapped Lloyd?

Do you think the Blue Hand took Lloyd captive or was it another group we haven't heard of yet?

cyberologist

2 weeks ago

The Blue Hand

Denise1722

2 weeks ago

It's been too long. I forgot who Lloyd is.

dch74

1 week ago

I think hes been captured to silence him and to desroy evrything he knows

kro329

2 days ago

I think that one phrase sums it up for me, "D Gibbons is a bad man".

kenr15210

2 weeks ago

Jack Bauer. He was afraid they would have to change the name of his show to 23 if these guys keep causing time lapses.

summersetmom

4 days ago

I do believe Lloyd has been captured by angry members of his own contingent who cannot deal with his betrayal/honesty in telling the world their actions may have been the cause of the flash. His knowledge is obviously valued but his loyalty to the project questionable. If there is an actual point to the flash then he's a loose cannon, his unpredictability places the project in jeopardy.

miqueltaule

3 weeks ago

:) Nothing has to be with the "Blue Hand" group.. Lloyd has been kidnapped by Jericho soldiers contracted under a still unknown group name. This "unknown" group created the global blackout with the "psicotron" experiment trying to travel to the future and playing with the time line. The man that we know as "D. Gibbons" seems to be the "clever" man that made possible this experiment came using the unknown group funds, but obiously the experiment still didn't success as they expect. This is my idea.. ;) Regards, Miquel

HYDE_35

1 month ago

CV, I also noticed the teaser was not included like the previous ones. It is as I suspect you know an item on Mark's Mosaic board though. I have not really spent any time here but I did follow your comment of the tower photo on RPR and think I know what it means. I suspect you also do but I may have connected other things to it now.

HYDE_35

1 month ago

Ignore, as my comment was OT. As far as this question, Lloyd was kidnapped by Flosso. Yep, that's right. Flosso did the deed. Don't mess with Flosso.

Joe4Broke

1 week ago

Of course they did, but by the time the clowns at ABC bring this back nobody will remember or care!! Completely insane... For you direlicts talking about the Olympics, that's on NBC you bozos -- wake up!!...

Bookworm0582

1 week ago

We know the Olympics are on NBC. That's the whole point. If the audience is watching NBC, they aren't watching ABC. Fox is putting Fring & Glee on hiatus too. If ABC renews Flashforward, I hope they give serious thought to airing it the way Lost & 24 air - from late January/early February until May straight through with no interruptions. I don't think it was the Blue Hand, I think the Jericho people snatched Lloyd per the orders of the creepy guy who has those mysterious rings.

n_s_simpson

1 month ago

Firstly, I hope this show isn't shut down like so many good shows (TTSCC for instance). I considered waiting until the whole thing was filmed before watching it due to the disappointment of it being canned. Obviously can't be FBI or CIA, they shot an incident person. Anyway, the people walking around while the blackout happened could be from an alternate dimension or the future. Perhaps they are trying to find a way to reset everything, which is why they took desperate measures. They may need Lloyd and Simon to work on reversing the phenomenon that they created. Not sure on the pylons, perhaps it's something to do with time travel and they were built by a future Simon that travelled back in time and is trying to get back into the future but it went wrong. The only real answer to this is whatever the writers decide. Could be any explanation you want really because it's silly paradox sci-fi, which is great.

IamTheWatcher

1 week ago

We are called "The Watchers" we are not of your reality but an alternate reality. We did not pass out during the black out we came thru during the black out. What most of you saw was not your reality but that of our world. We are hell bent on recreating this experiment.. Why cause our world merged with yours and we want our world back!!!!

ohmysun

1 month ago

I don't dare to say who for sure, but I think that whoever it was, they were the ones causing the blackout. I don't think that Lloyd really caused it. He just thinks he did. I miss the show!

llamury

1 month ago

I really liked this show. How rediculous that we go so long between episodes. I will be reluctant to get involved in future serial programs from ABC.

danaribelin

1 month ago

What do you think?...Don't think it was the Blue Hand group that took Lloyd... People, deal with the fact that tv and series work the way they do. (Deal with the break.) Watch it, don't watch it...but, please, don't complain about it. It is what it is. I LOVE this show! I never get to watch it on tv at its slated time anyway...and I make extra time to catch up on episodes on the internet. The show and concept intrigues me. This is NOT Lost. I've never seen Lost. (And it's not in my plans to attempt to watch it.) Don't compare it. If it was Lost, they woud call it Lost something or other. If you want more Lost...go buy the past seasons on DVD...and leave us, Flashforward watchers in peace.

maggie9090909

1 month ago

Amen!

TerriT2009

1 month ago

Maybe it was the guys with the three stars on thier arms.

norbish

1 month ago

i think Lloyd was taken by the network execs who took a quality show with a clever concept of parallel dimensions and traded momentum and ratings for hoiiday programs, repeats, and "the constant variety of" 2 weeks of Americans skiing and skating. Guessing he will be returned after a long 4 months, a few weeks before he's cancelled.

donaldparnell

1 month ago

I think D Gibbons is Simon. Simon recognized the towers as his design, not similar to his design, but his design. These towers produced a local effect but were by Simon's account an advancement of their current work. By Simon's account, we are lead to believe that such a genius would not be unknown or intentionally hide from the public's eye. I'm lead to believe that a future Simon's has had his work shut down and any advancement requires him returning to the past where his experiments are not yet detectable. Using his knowledge of the past he masks his experiments behind events that to him have all ready happened. His knowledge and alliance with a government (China?) could explain the FBI thinking they have a local mole ( setting up Mark to kill the suspected mole ) Did you notice how quick the police and CIA showed up? Almost like they were waiting for it to happen. The one thing i don't understand is why the Chinese would let their fingerprints be all over this, and you have to admit this is something more along the line of what we would expect of our own government (US), than we would of the Chinese government.

thinkpink3330

1 month ago

The reason they are going on hiatus is because of the Winter Olympics. Even if the wanted to put the show on the air, nobody would be able to watch it anyway because of the constant coverage. I love the show, and I'm certainly not going to lose interest because I actually know what the situation is and I understand that it's not ABC's fault. Cut them some slack, people, for god's sake.

940815

1 month ago

I agree with this one....I have been frantically looking for the next episode and finally found out it will be coming back in March....sorry to see it take so long, but the Olympics WILL take priority, so I can see why. Will look forward to it in March.

cdanbarnes

1 month ago

Just learned that the show is off until March which means, not only have I lost interest, I will have forgotten about it altogether. ABC execs are idiots. Done.

TahirahMo

1 month ago

Lloyd was NOT taken by Blue hand...Anyhow, I read some comments and someone asked why not people are watching it as before. And I have to say, I'm tempted to call it quits for a few reasons... 1) It's like a Lost reject show (BTW Lost ROCKS!!! and nothing can replace it) 2) One of the lead actors SUCK!!! Mark Benford (Joseph Fiennes) is by far the worse lead actor I’ve seen on a show…or maybe he hasn’t settled into his character yet…but for now he is not alone, his wife Olivia (poor Sonya Walger), Tracy Stark…and I guess I wont bore you with more…call it over or under acting whatever, as a whole this cast SUCKS!!! 3) Tends to be a bit predictable…who hired these writers? We know Lyodd (and my boy from Lost) DID NOT cause this (way too easy), we knew Demetri’s beach wedding was actually a funeral, Blue hand has nothing to do with the blackout (just a bunch of band wagon idiots designed to keep you guessing) and should I continue and spoil it for people who actually think this is a well written show? Come on ABC, and other networks, give us (the mature audience) something worth watching…Oh the wonderful days of Boston Legal!

4thepennent

2 weeks ago

Boston Legal ROCKED!!!!! I miss Shirley Schmidtho!

mosaic222

1 month ago

I think the CIA captured Lloyd.

betapatterson

1 month ago

Come on!!! No new episode until March??? How do you expect to keep people interested on the show???? We will loose track of it and even worse... we will loose interest on it. I think I'll do like somebody post it... buy the book in which the series is based on.

FFSissy

2 months ago

angry mob

BriansGirl1986

2 months ago

yep they have

gmana792

2 months ago

I don't know but Bill got destroyed! Probably SImon's guys

mekhalkramer

2 months ago

Maybe another group - we do not know all the players yet

christinaballerina84

2 months ago

Whoever they are, they better not hurt him because I am pretty much in love with him... =D

TahirahMo

1 month ago

LMAO!!!

Blue19Devil71

2 months ago

They may beat him up some, or hold him captive, but they aren't going to do serious damage to him. First of all, he's a major player in some way in the storyline, and they can't kill him off this early in the storyline. If he dies, it would have to be something major, and would have to serve the story in some big way, like him sacrificing himself to prevent something really bad (for instance). Also, since the series is based, albeit loosely, on the book of the same name, Lloyd Simcoe is central to the storyline, and that's another reason I don't think they'll do anything really bad to him. So relax--your dream lover is going to be fine, at least for a good long while.

BenLinusandManUfan

2 months ago

I think there is a good chance that it was a group we haven't heard of yet. With all the twists and turns, and different possibilties as to why the GBO occured, there's a good chance that his kidnapping will lead to another such twist in the story.

Pescy2

2 months ago

What about the Feb. sweeps? Why don't they want the show to be included in that?

Beatrice_92

2 months ago

I think that Simcoe was kidnapped by the scientist friend who did not want say to all world the experiment. I'm italian and i don't know english very well, sorry for the grammar mistakes =)

lexieb2014

2 months ago

I'm not for suree.. I think it's somebody we haven't heard of yet. But with everbody saying they can change their flashforwards, I think all of them are gonna happen the way the person saw it. Everything is falling into place, bit by bit. I also think that somehow Mark gets his job back and on March 15th, Demetri does something that is against FBI rules and has this big showdown or something and Mark has to kill him because he is doing something that I don't know yet.. It has to be huge though. Something so big that it will have to take Mark to shoot him 3 times. And as for the kidnapping of Lloyd, you see he gets kidnapped, and if Alivia takes him "home", he will be where he was in the flashforward cause Charlie knows him too. But... maybe Mark starts drinking again because he lost his job.. or he had to kill Demetri.. or his wife left him for Lloyd.. I can't wait to see what happens!!

Blue19Devil71

2 months ago

I feel like some people might be able to change their futures, by being conscious of them and making a definitive plan of action to change it (like that guy did by jumping off the building). However, I think Mark and Demetri are going to end up making their flash forwards happen (or trying to prevent them will become a large plot point), because they keep getting warned to stay out of things and let things go, and ignore these warnings every chance they get (especially Mark). Also, Mark doesn't have to be in the FBI to shoot Demetri--he could shoot him as a civilian. Losing his job and being stuck on te outside could lead him to drink again, which would push Olivia to leave him, and with the sparks flying between her and Lloyd towards the end of this latest episode, maybe even push her into Lloyd's arms. Maybe he breaks into the FBI (since he works there, he knows how to get in and out) to continue his obsession with Mosaic and his board of clues, and the unnamed group behind everything is afraid he's getting too close, and send the masked gunmen to stop him that he saw in his vision. Possible explanation.

sgt_foster

1 month ago

The lady from China wouldn't have said "On March 15th, you will be murdered..." if Mark shot Demetri in the line of duty...

dandman90

2 months ago

Well sorry to break this to you but the FBI agent who jumped off the building already proved you can change your vision. He was in the room with the British lady when the bird crashed into the window yada yada.... and now hes dead so its obvious that the visions don't have to happen its all about free will.

The Golden Chalice

2 months ago

It's rather hard to tell at this point. The 3-star-guys could just as well be behind it as the CIA. Why not, after all? They just as much seek answers. Although, if Lloyd's and Olivia's FlashForward come true, I'd really not think the 3-star-people let anyone free... /ponder

istcola

2 months ago

I think it is his Partners group

Blue19Devil71

2 months ago

I think we may have caught glimpses of the group behind his kidnapping, but haven't gotten a clear picture of everything that's going on yet. I think D. Gibbons is either behind the whole thing, or is working for those who are, and it's got to be multi-national (otherwise, how'd they build a tower that wasn't supposed to be invented yet in Somalia? And maybe other places too, for all we know). Every time you see a bad guy who is obsessed with chess, he or she is always behind what's going on in some way. For some reason, mastering chess equates to being able to control things behind the scenes, move pieces without them knowing what the end strategy is going to be, and wanting to rule the world (or severely change it, usually for the worse for most average Joes, but better for the "select few" behind the conspiracy). I'm pretty sure at this point that Lloyd's physics group is not behind the blackout, at least not directly. I think it was a confluence of events, which their accelerator may have played a part in, but unbeknownst to them, kind of like how it played out in the book, but altered to fit the show.

BexBake

2 months ago

I think it was six ring puppet master guy because Lloyd said that he was responsible for the blackouts when in truth it was puppet master guy and he doesn't want Lloyd talking anymore because he plans to claim repsonsibility in some sort of diabolical war lord/villain mwhahahaha kind of way. He doesn't want Lloyd getting credit for his scheme. Six ring puppet master guy has to be in cahoots with D Gibbons because if he is the one that designed the towers in Somalia then he has also had time to know how to prevent falling victim to the effects of such a thing--thus the rings.Recall that we are missing one, there were supposed to be seven so the question remains who had the seventh one. Lloyd blacked out too during the flash forward so he would not have been involved or he would have had a ring and were he to know what was coming he would have warned his wife not to be driving. Am thinking I heard Simon telling a woman on a train that he had a flash forward where he was killing someone. I think this pretty much clears them from responsibility for the flash forward which we will find out. The 3 Star guys work for him if you recall they delivered the rings to him in the warehouse. The Blue hand people are just a group of radical "hippie" types that are accepting that the lack of flash forward makes them able to live freely without fear of retribution from the future because they are going to be dead anyway. They are more of a cult rather than a sinister puppet master type organization as established in the episode where they did the infiltration of the underground club. Small fish. Don't think Simon had anything to do with it either because of what I mentioned before plus he pretty much cleared himself of any blame when he admitted that he didn't think up the idea till a year after it had already been implemented. I do think that Simon will figure out who it is because his research had to be started somewhere. I think he is going to help us figure out who D Gibbons is through some memory in future episodes. I think the reason he was warning Lloyd not to say anything that accepted blame is because he has already figured out that someone else caused the blackout because he was also susceptible to the effects. Agree with the person that said the reason Dylan would know that Olivia's house was his is because the child will go home with her to be safe because her husband can provide protection for him that the hospital can't. The previews seemed to show Lloyd being held prisoner so I don't think he is going to die. Am thinking perhaps her flash forward happens because she thinks it is Mark for some reason. Would make some sense that he would come to be where his son is for protection after he is released or rescued or whatever is going to happen to him. Maybe she is thinking she is looking at Mark in her living room? Looked like Mark and Dimitri went in to save him with the exploding ambulance and the drawn weapons and what not. If they rescue them then it seems that would be where Mark's intel that there will be another flash forward is coming from. Lloyd may be the one that tells him that because of what he finds out while he is being held captive or he may just hear it while he is in there saving his rear end. Just a thought.

TahirahMo

1 month ago

Simon was probably killing the babysitter girl (can't remember her name)

dandman90

2 months ago

I think you've got the best Idea from what Ive read so far. Its definitely not the blue hand..and i don't think its Simon or his company. Possibly the CIA organization group thing or the 6 ring guy and dgibbons and them. I'm really interested to see who actually caused the blackout and why they did it cause I'm sure it wasn't solely Simco and Simons fault.

ffmatt21

2 months ago

i dont know for sure but i think it was the blue hand. it makes the most sense. they would want to capture him because they are obviously mad at him for supposidly causing the flashforwards. my guess is that they will try to torture and kill him, but i think they will not succeed or he will escape because i believe the flashforwards will come true. however, i dont think this means that the blue hand has anything to do with the global blackout. if they were responsible, it wouldnt make sense to capture him since he came out at that press conference. they wouldnt do anything to him because it would leave them under the radar, and since everyone now thinks that lloyd and simon are responsible, no one would ever suspect them and they would be able to cause another blackout. long story short, whoever kidnapped him ISNT responsible for the blackout.

Blue19Devil71

2 months ago

I would pick the Blue Hand last on a list of culprits, actually. Their only purpose is to get people who didn't have a flash forward together to off themselves en masse, like a Jonestown or that group in California who thought aliens were riding on a comet and were coming to get them. They're not that well-organized, as Mark and Demetri found them and infiltrated them pretty easily early on. I would say that it's either the physics group that Lloyd works with trying to make him disappear so he can't bring down any more hatred on their facility than he already has, or the main group behind everything trying to keep him from exposing their network in some way.

losjdn725

2 months ago

I think the guy that was angry at Lloyd when he was trying to get Dylan to another hospital was part of it. He hated Lloyd and heard the hospital Dylan was being transferred to.

Blue19Devil71

2 months ago

I don't think he had anything to do with it--he was a generic security guard. Usually in shows or movies like this, all someone would have to do is have a computer system set up to flag anything involving the name Lloyd Simcoe or Dylan Simcoe, and the moment Olivia sent the request to transfer Dylan to the other hospital, the unnamed group saw their opportunity to kidnap Lloyd for whatever purpose they did it.

Dovey7891

2 months ago

Whoever planned it, showed no hesitation to kill. I believe the "Blue Hand" group(s) are a way to recruit people who aren't afraid to die, because they believe that they are going to die soon anyway. We know that the man who received the ring case is part of this group. The bibical references to "Jerico" are dire. Joshua led the "children of Israel" to destroy the city, every person, animal, and building. He then cursed the land, saying that whoever rebuilt it would lose his eldest son when he began, and his youngest upon completion. The curse came true, according to the bible. The city was conquered and destroyed over and over again throughout history, passing from one nation to another. I believe the three star tatoos, are deeply meaningful to the group wearing them, with possible religious undertones.

Dovey7891

1 month ago

Laugh, if you will, but more murders have been committed throughout history in the name of God, or for religious beliefs, than for all other reasons combined. From the very first murder. Atrocities have been endured by many, simply because the oppressor was a fanatic in their beliefs. And happen every day, even in our "enlightened" world.

texanflash

2 months ago

It was another group, and I am not convinced that Simon is as puzzled as he is leading on to the FBI.

Blue19Devil71

2 months ago

Actually, I think he was that confused...watch his face the moment they say the tower is real, and then again when they say the photo was taken in 1991, a year before he came up with the idea. He was completely shocked, but because (as he said) he tends to control his emotions rather than let them control him (which he says is more Lloyd's thing), it didn't show as blaringly as it might have with Lloyd or someone else.

ajrmmiap

2 months ago

Blue hand.

PheenickzZ

2 months ago

I don't think it was the Blue Hand.. I believe the man rather have a connection w/ D. Gibbons and Simon, who I think hasn't said the truth about his Plasma towers! I believe he and D.Gibbons are actually working together. Lloyd has been kidnapped b/c Simon knows, Lloyd knows too much and to keep him under surveillance he had him kidnapped!

Clever_Leigh

2 months ago

It wouldn't be surprising if it were either the Jericho group or another group that has yet to be identified as the source for the blackouts;also on the other side of the spectrum would be an unknown gathering of people who are now grouping as a result of the press conference.

MariaNTexas

2 months ago

I think it was the guy with the 6 (supposed to be 7) rings. OR some group not yet introduced.

onslow7

1 month ago

I think it's Jerrico. The military probably developed those tower things in the desert too.

maggie9090909

1 month ago

In reading all of these posts, I noticed you are the only one who was struck by the fact that Demitri's name is Russian. I was struck by this right away and will now present my twist as to why he has that name. Could it be that the woman who called him is his mother? We know nothing of his background. However, if he is a "sleeping agent", the name would be too obvious...

Flashlol

3 weeks ago

Yeah, when I served as a sleeper agent in Indonesia my name was Bob.

langleythefleet

1 month ago

I think it was the "triple stars" . The mercenary group that is also looking for tracy stark. Ultimately they are connected with all of this. The Blue Hand is a red herring.

vanessa elif

1 month ago

I think that Lloyd was taken captive by CIA

briannewell30

1 month ago

it another group we haven't heard of yet

mysteron

1 month ago

I think that Lloyd was taken captive by D. Gibbons.

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